Rafa Kidvai, the Repro Legal Defense Fund Director at If/When/How (and former legal fellow for Court Watch NYC!) joins Carl to talk about the intersection between reproductive justice, surveillance and criminalization. While we should be wary of new technology that will increase data surveillance, much of this surveillance already exists. Some communities (read: Black and brown people, immigrants, disabled people, Black and trans folks) were living in a “post-Roe reality” long before the overturn went into effect. The path forward? Creating a better system than we had to begin with.